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Interview with Frederick Clarkson, journalist and author, conducted by Scott Harris
The shooting rampage by Jared Lee Loughner in Tuscon, Ariz. on Jan. 8, which left six people dead and critically wounded U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and 13 others, has sparked a national debate on the possible connection between toxic political rhetoric and violence. The attack, which claimed the lives of a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, shocked the conscience of the country.
The assassination attempt targeting Giffords, by the apparently mentally unbalanced 22-year-old Loughner, may or may not have been directly related to the increasingly bellicose rhetoric of conservative politicians and activist groups like the tea party movement and other self-described "patriot" groups. But the senseless violence in Tucson has caused some to speculate on the effect of extreme right-wing media commentators and politicians who label their political opponents as "traitors," "communists," and "America haters," and use gun metaphors.
Since the election of Barack Obama, the United States' first African-American president, the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, other right-wing organizations have experienced an increase in membership. In April 2009, a government report warned about the rise of extremist groups on the right and their recruitment of U.S. war veterans. Conservative politicians and radio talk show hosts quickly condemned the report, causing Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to make a public apology. Between The Lines' Scott Harris spoke with journalist and author Frederick Clarkson who has written about the religious right and tracked political hate groups for two decades. He looks at the toxic political climate in the U.S. which he believes has contributed to the increasing danger of domestic terrorism not seen since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
FREDERICK CLARKSON: This has got to be a wakeup-call. This is the canary dying in the coal mine of American democracy. We have to be aware that this is not a matter of strictly speaking of right and left, although the violent ideology, rhetoric and actions come overwhelmingly from the right. This is a wake-up call about where we are in this society right now. And we have to look at it through that lens. If there are helpless people out there who are finding political ideas whose expression leads to walking up to a member of Congress at a supermarket and shooting them in the head, we have a problem.
BETWEEN THE LINES: Fred, what have you observed since the 2008 presidential election in terms of a escalation of the caustic and toxic rhetoric that seems to be ever more politically acceptable in mainstream circles and in our news media? What have you noticed about that?
FREDERICK CLARKSON: Well, I've probably noticed something a little different than what most people notice. Most of what we hear is that there's an escalation in the rhetoric and the violent suggestions, whether it's the sniper-scope targets on Sarah Palin's website aimed at congressional Democratic districts, or the racial edge, to a lot of commentary, the birther-ism and all that stuff. All that stuff is true; that's part of the context. I'm not sure it's any different, but I'm not sure it's any worse than what we saw in the '90s under Bill Clinton, although with a black president, obviously it's different. What strikes me most about it is two things: one is the ineptitude of the response for most of the rest of America -- journalists, progressive political activists, Democratic political leaders, you name it. We're not very good at figuring how to respond to this stuff and we're bullied into silence. The other thing that we are is too accepting of false framing, in the sense of false equivalence.
Democratic political leaders and pundits will go on television and say, "You know, there are extremists on both sides." As if that was the end of the story. It's a thought-stopper, it's a conversation-stopper. It doesn't allow us to actually talk seriously about what's going on, because the inciting to violence kind of rhetoric that we hear on talk radio and elsewhere is not just about the words, it's about the ideas behind them. And there are people who take those ideas seriously. They really believe that the American government is becoming tyrannical and they really believe that the feds are going to come and take their guns. And they really believe that Jewish bankers are running everything. And those ideas are virulent and a threat to democracy. And unless you can get past this idea of the false equivalence, we can't even begin to have the conversation about them.
BETWEEN THE LINES: Frederick, as you gauge the danger from the belief system that's sort of exhibited for us in the thetoric, what do you think the response should be? What do you think we need to do as a people to confront an ideology which describes their own government as the enemy?
FREDERICK CLARKSON: Well, one thing we need to ask our political leaders to recognize that the problem is different than what they're describing -- and, as well as our news media. Say, "Look this is not just a matter of violent rhetoric v. civility. It's not just a matter of words. And we have to ask ourselves and the people who we relate to and the people who we look to political leadership to treat it differently. We have active, ideological, pro-violent movements in the United States. Many of them overlap. We've talked on your show many times about anti-abortion violence, for example. People who are proponents of that are still out there, they're still organizing for it, and they'll find more people who are willing to take that kind of violent action. And, these things are not one-day news stories. They're the story of our time.
BETWEEN THE LINES: What role do you think the president should play in all this, given that this has happened on his watch just as the Oklahoma City bombing happened on Bill Clinton's watch -- and he did confront it vigorously, attacking the toxic rhetoric that he believed, and many others believed, fomented the rise of the militia movements that were part and parcel of that attack on the federal building in Oklahoma City.
FREDERICK CLARKSON: Well, he did, and I might add that the first significant inter-agency task force was to investigate anti-abortion violence -- it happened under his watch, and that of Janet Reno and the attorney general as well. I think we need to call on the president to be more vigorous in saying that his standards of civility need to be upheld. And the way that you do it is to call out those who are being uncivil. It's not civil to ignore threats and violence. It's a betrayal of civility. And, when the president and the people who think like him -- and a good many people inside the Beltway do -- will say, "Well, there are extremists on both sides," they need to be called out on that, saying that that is a lie, at least in the sense that they mean it. There is no overt violence and threats of violence, and ideologies of violence coming out of the liberal left and certainly not out of any element of the Democratic party that I'm aware of. If there are some exceptions, I'll believe that.
But, let's see the evidence. Let's see the facts. Let's see the crimes. Show us the people and the organizations that you claim are out there. And if you can't show us the facts, then you need to apologize for your failure of leadership. And I would say that to President Obama.
Frederick Clarkson is editor of the book, "Dispatches from the Religious Left: The Future of Faith and Politics in America." Read his articles online at Talk2Action.org
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